----------
From: Sabuj Pattanayek
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Hena Dutta wrote:
> Hi Sabuj,
>
> Can I use LED monitor instead LCD? I heard the color contrast is better. If
We haven't tried any, but here's an interesting 120 HZ LED monitor
(Acer HS244HQ):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009301&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Monitors+-+LCD+Flat+Panel-_-Acer+America-_-24009301
It comes with active 3D goggles, but it's noted that these only work
with the 3D sync signal built into Bluray movies which I think is
transmitted off the monitor. Now if this works like 3D DLP link stereo
then you don't necessarily need the 3D vision stereo kit/emitter at
all. In fact, we have an Infocus IN3116 projector that does 120Hz at
720p and a bunch of $50 DLP link goggles, a quadro 3700 video card in
the box, and can do stereo in Windows 7 and Linux using Option
"Stereo" "3" (standard quad buffered stereo). We use a cheap $2 DVI to
HDMI converter to connect a long HDMI cable into the projector from
the Quadro 3700 and that's it, no super long 3 pin mini din cable is
needed. The only downside is that sometimes the left and right eye
images are on the wrong sides when stereo is enabled, but most apps
(e.g. pymol, chimera, and coot too probably) have an option to swap
the eyes when in stereo so that's easily fixed.
> I buy higher level quadro graphics card (say FX 5600), will it improve the
> stereo quality? How big difference the prices are? Thanks for your
A better card won't improve the stereo quality itself, but will
improve surface, vdw, etc renderings with high polygon counts. For
building models, most people are looking at wireframes/lines which you
can still do for huge macromolecules on an SGI Octane. So yes, the
5600 will work with nvidia 3d vision, it has at least a G8x core
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro) and the stereo connector
in the back. If you decide to go with something like that Acer HS244HQ
it would be interesting to see if it can be made to work without the
nvidia 3d vision kit at all.
HTH,
Sabuj
> information.
>
> Hena
----------
From: David Schuller
Hi,
What is being marketed as "LED" monitors recently are actually LCD monitors which use LEDs rather than fluorescent lamps for backlighting. So long as your monitor is compatible with the stereo technology you are using, LED backlighting is fine (and more efficient).
--
=======================================================================
All Things Serve the Beam
=======================================================================
David J. Schuller
modern man in a post-modern world
MacCHESS, Cornell University
----------
From: Sabuj Pattanayek
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Hena Dutta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Isn't that an LCD monitor (Acer HS244HQ)?
It's edge LED backlit. I don't know if there are any direct LED
backlit 120Hz monitors. Couldn't find much information on those types.
----------
From: Sabuj Pattanayek
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Hena Dutta wrote:
> Hi Sabuj,
>
> Thanks for all your answers. I finally came to this plan. Please tell me if
> I am doing anything wrong.
>
> Option 1.
>
> HP Workstation Z400 FL998U8#ABA Desktop PC - Intel Xeon W3550 3.06GHz, 8GB
> DDR3, 160GB 10k RPM HDD, DVDRW, NVIDIA Quadro FX3800, Windows 7 Professional
> 32-bit ----$1000
> Acer HN274H bmiiid 27" Class Widescreen 3D LED HD Monitor - 1920 x 1080,
> 16:9, 100000000:1 Dynamic, 1000:1 Native, 120Hz, 2ms, HDMI, DVI-D, VGA,
> NVIDIA 3D Glasses, Energy Star ----$670
I highly doubt this monitor will work in Linux unless you buy the 3d
vision kit which comes with the emitter that you can hook into the 3
pin mini din port of your quadro (btw your quadro 3800 requires an
extra 3 pin mini din bracket, more on that below).
This monitor has a built in emitter that works with the pair of nvidia
(these are not generic active shutter goggles) 3d vision goggles it
comes bundled with :
http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the-27-acer-hn274h-3d-vision-ready-lcd-monitor/
...but does not have an input for the 3 pin mini din coming off a
proper quadro. The latest nvidia driver for linux still mentions that
you need the 3 pin mini din for nvidia 3d vision stereo in linux:
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/280.13/README/xconfigoptions.html
####
Option "Stereo" "integer"
10 NVIDIA 3D Vision mode for use with NVIDIA 3D Vision glasses.
The NVIDIA 3D Vision infrared emitter must be connected to a USB port
of your computer, and to the 3-pin DIN connector of a Quadro graphics
board (based on G8xGL or higher GPU) before starting the X server.
Hot-plugging the USB infrared stereo emitter is not yet supported.
Also, 3D Vision Stereo Linux support requires a Linux kernel built
with USB device filesystem (usbfs) and USB 2.0 support. Not presently
supported on FreeBSD or Solaris.
####
Having just the USB connected to the emitter still only works in
windows with the standard emitter. I also know that the windows nvidia
driver explicitly checks to see what sort of monitor you have before
enabling 3d vision (see the nvidia 3d vision wizard in the nvidia
control panel), i.e. that's probably why you don't need a USB cable
connected from your computer to this particular monitor where the
emitter is housed in the bezel.
So, basically if you decide to go with this monitor you'll still
probably need to get the 3D vision kit with the proper emitter and
you'll also need to get the 3 pin mini din bracket for your Quadro
3800 since it doesn't have the 3 pin mini din output:
There's a forum about it here :
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=96163
which leads to this PNY part # 900-50762-0000-000 :
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=900-50762-0000-000&cid=17694678402912029306&ei=OoVzTvKqH6mExgXwi5HRAQ&ved=0CAkQgggwAA#scoring=tp
> Ofcourse I have to install linux. Do I need to buy anything else(say emiter
> or connector) for 3D stereo set up in linux distribution. What linux you
> like to suggest? I am familiar with open suse or ubuntu.
Either would be fine.
> Lenovo IdeaCentre K330B 7747-1GU Desktop PC - Intel Core i7-2600 3.40GHz,
> 8GB DDR3, 1.5TB HDD, DVDRW, ATI Radeon HD 6450, Windows 7 Home Premium
> 64-bit ----$750
>
> But, then I have to buy the right graphics card.
Yes.
> I think buying the NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800 graphics card will be much costly
> than to increase the hard drive.
>
> Which one is better processor?
>
> Intel Xeon W3550 3.06GHz or Intel Core i7-2600 3.40GHz
i'd say the i7 2600 @ 3.4GHz, uses less power too.
> If they are not big difference, I will go with the first one and increase
> the hard drive. What do you think?
Buy the 2nd one, get a quadro 3700, get the 3d vision kit, and if you
want a 120Hz 27" "LED" monitor, here's one :
http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-syncmaster-s27a750d-27-3d-led-lcd-monitor-16-9-2-ms-adjustable/223430191.html
that doesn't have a built in emitter which as mentioned above probably
isn't going to work in linux.
HTH,
Sabuj
>
> Many thanks for your time.
>
> Hena